Only when new appointments are made to the governing body of people who have a reasonable chance of making it to 2034 will this idea get off the ground. (2Chron. *** Watchtower 1972 August 1 p.458 Loving Oversight of the Congregation of God ***, THEOCRATIC APPOINTMENT IN THE CONGREGATION. Fred was half blind, and so am I from studying texts in Hebrew and Greek and writing java code. Just think what that meant for those then living! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBYGp5gD-oo&feature=related. They will then be part of the heavenly armies that will crush Gog and safeguard a great crowd of sheeplike ones. They may be surprised by the sudden start of Jehovahs day, but they will not be caught off guard. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers. 15. Many others have . All rights reserved. Witness leaders nowadays do not have the luxury of an 'open the window' period of reform, although there have been some small moves in that dirrection. Either that or there is a contradiction between Matthew and Luke on this matter. To teach his disciples the importance of keeping on the watch, Jesus told them: "Note the fig tree and all the other trees: When they are already in the bud, by observing it you know for yourselves that now the summer is near.". Eventually the governing body will stomach the idea of promoting 2034 as the possible date for the end (120 years from 1914 - 'just as the days of Noah will the days of the son of man be'). Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years.' LOL. Is it some brilliant, farsighted man, some human who is a master organizer? cit., p. 31). He merely uses the ?servant? And so will many other people. Why did things start to pick up again in the 1980s? 19:2) How will Jehovah destroy Babylon the Great? 'He that does the will of God remains forever,' states the Bible. 2:9-11; 1 Cor. The Bible says the UN will . 32:8) We will trust in Jehovah our Goda stand that will seem foolish to the nations. They can either come out with the date soon in the hope of short-term gains - or they can keep it under their hat until the mid-2020s. Tribulation has fallen upon those who stand by the Lord. They will make more and more grave statements about the end being near, but these won't do the trick either because they will contain nothing specific. The December 15, 2003 Watchtower article is paralleling Noah's day to our present day. And they will not recover until they make a new prediction That is all history you know already, so sorry for going over it again. Jehovah's Witnesses are among the most racially and ethnically diverse religious groups in America. The Jehovahs Witness view of the battle of Armageddon is but one example of the ineptness of this group to analyze biblical prophecy. Let us consider each of these in turn. Still keep the whole end time thing like others have but make it much more nonspecific, keep the no trinity, no hell, maybe no holidays. Rather, it appears that they are both describing the condition, attitude, and behavior of the people prior to an event, with the event being the subject of the sentences. This explains how Witnesses, even in western countries, were able to demonstrate significant increases in the 1980s and early 1990s. 20:17, 22,23) And he may use his angels to slay the wicked. ***. This is similar to the view that the disciples had as to the imminence of God's kingdom in their day. 38:23) Yes, Armageddon is good news for those who know God, obey his Son, and endure to the end.Matt. Would you like to read this article in %%? Sure, they've had growth but its not translated into enough cash to keep the status quo. 16:5-7; 19:1, 2. ( Gense 6:3) Ce decret divin mis en 2490 avant notre re marqu le commencement de la fin pour le monde impie. For practically the first time in their 120 year history Witnesses had no date to work work towards, no reasonable time frame in which to place their expectations. Thieves! Jehovah's Witnesses ban comes into force in Russia after appeal fails. (August 15, 1950, page 263) "The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. 6/1/99 and 8/15/99 Watchtowers each had articles that drew the parallel between the JWs work and Noah's. 1879 was the start of The Watchtower and 1999 was 120 years later. And all the righteous will be saved.Prov. Does no one think my post interesting enough to reply? As she grew up as a third-generation Jehovah's Witness, there were certain things . At 1Thessalonians 5:2, Jehovahs day refers to the great tribulation. (Rev. 37:2337-Minute Listen. Because of this, some have called them false prophets. Why were publishers doing more hours (per publisher) in the late 1980s/early 1990s than in 1975? (Rev. From what I've read in the forum, the doctrine change has been a fairly stealthy one and hasn't fully registered in the consciousness of the rank and file (especially with the WTS still shouting the "end is near! And it's as full of "happy" people who love to be fooled as ever. A few weeks later, the Jehovah's Witnesses closed on a $200 million sale of that building to the private equity firm Kayne Anderson Real Estate Advisors, which plans to turn the property into . 10. So I'd like to answer some of the a accusations that questions about Jehovah's witnesses always seems to bring. With these rich truths to light the way, Christians do not grope in this dark, jungle-like world as do the masses of people in Christendom and heathendom alike. How can we remain faithful to Jehovah as Armageddon draws near? *** Awake! 17:11) But Armageddon does not refer to any literal place on earth. The Watchtower recognizes the truth as belonging to Jehovah, and not to any creature. Figures increased greatly leading up to 1975 and there was great expectation. ", *** Watchtower 1964 June 15 pp.365-6 Jehovah, the God of Progressive Revelation ***, 22 As Jehovah revealed his truths by means of the first-century Christian congregation so he does today by means of the present-day Christian congregation. But is it not far preferable to make some mistakes because of overeagerness to see God's purposes accomplished than to be spiritually asleep as to the fulfillment of Bible prophecy? Jesus statement helps to correct the wrong idea conveyed in the way some Bible versions mistranslate the word presence. Some translations render it coming, advent, or return, all of which imply a momentary event in time. They're probably waiting for some newsworthy event to take place and they'll call it a "sign". Jehovah's Witnesses are more convinced than ever before that the end of the world is imminent. Jehovah's Witnesses originated as a branch of the Bible Student movement, which developed in the United States in the 1870s among followers of Christian restorationist minister Charles Taze Russell.Bible Student missionaries were sent to England in 1881 and the first overseas branch was opened in London in 1900. As the Bible states, These persons are SELECTED by Jehovah. watchtower Im not questioning the argument for the presence being some period of time, it is simply that to use these verses (Matthew 24:37-39 and Luke 12:26-28) to definitively do so creates more questions and speculation than it needs to, given all of the other proof texts and reasoning that could be used (to support the parousia being a period of time). It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the 'slave' as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision. The present study of 50 Jehovah's Witnesses admitted to the Mental Health Service facilities of Western Australia suggests that members of this section of the community are more likely to be admitted to a psychiatric hospital than the general population. In fact they go so far as to say that unless one calls on the true name of God, "Jehovah," one cannot be saved. The WBTS continued through the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s, to warn that Armageddon was coming near. In what order will God destroy Satans world? Since the generation that overlapped with the eagle-eyed anointed that saw the enthronement that also overlapped the end of the gentile times. Some 90 years have passed since the last days of this system of things began in 1914. by ClassickConcept (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1989, p. 12 [bound volume changed "20th century" to "day"]), Jehovah's prophetic word through Christ Jesus is: 'This generation (of 1914) will by no means pass away until all things occur.' 3 Read Revelation 16:14,16. How should we respond to warnings we have been given? The 2034 date is thoroughly refuted by the numbers in the Insight book. The change in 95 took the wind out of 1) the sails of folks that stuck around after 75 (like my parents that were in their 20s at the time) and 2) the born-ins like me who suddenly realized that we had better plan on getting a real career, get married, have kids and try to live a normal life because there was no longer a end date in sight. appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the 'slave' as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision. obviously its not a real talk but has anyone heard of this? This works for the current GB as some of them will be . []. 1986 June 8 p.9 "Would That All Were Prophets!" (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968). God gave the people in Noah's day 120 years, and perhaps he was giving us 120 years also. The cover of that particular issue dramatically asked: "Are we . Nothing is said about God bringing a genocide. Jehovah's Witnesses, however, expected that the . 30:15; Rev. Why do they have to go from one extreme to another? He plainly declared: this generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished (v. 34). I haven't looked at the youtube but YES, it has already been subtly hinted at and implied that the parallel of Noah's day with the "last days" would also include a 120 year period of preaching/warning work (that would be from 1914 to 2034). The Greek word used in Luke for occurred (ginomai) speaks to a happening, and more specifically the context reveals a happening within the days of Noah, the event rather than the days being the primary discussion as is seen in Thayer's Lexicon Definitions: A prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"-erate), i.e. It's obvious to me that leadership needs to fire up the members in some way. Then, at Armageddon, he will destroy the rest of Satans world, including its political, military, and commercial systems. To the contrary, Jehovah's faithful witnesses have been progressively brought to an understanding of Jehovah's purposes, which are clearer now than ever before in history . 71 PICTURE DESCRIPTION: Dramatic events occur around us. Publication download options Every kingdom of earth will pass away, be swallowed up in anarchy." I didn't see this as an endorsement of 2035 as the end, but rather a statement that there's still lots of time left. The Bible helps us to foresee some coming developments. I do not agree with those who overinterpreted that Watchtower as meaning a bit more than perhaps it did. 8 Footnote: expand all. Noah preached 120 years until the time of the flood, which was the time of the end to Noah and his generation . But, I am fearfully confident that many others will do so and this will be a question many will ask. The effects of having no date took a while to manifest but compare the "zeal" of your average JW 20 years ago to the average JW now. In contrast, what the Bible says about Armageddon involves good news, a cause for happiness! Jehovahs Witnesses teaches that Armageddon will start in the year 2034. (Rev. (Jas. Jehovah's Witnesses are a Christian religious sect rooted in the Adventist movement of the late 1800s and early 1900s. *** Watchtower 1983 February 15 p.12 You Can Live Forever in on Earth-But How? Pin On Jehovah S Witnesses On The Move . This may seem counter-intuitive to getting rid of someone, but the fact is that if you don't answer the door, they are likely to mark you as "not home" and return in the near future. With a prediction like that, would you mind us adding you to this list of hallowed prophesiers? Answer (1 of 19): Others have already given good answers as to what Armageddon is. Of special interest are the expressions this generation, and all.. Yes, they have. Second, the area around Megiddo is far too small to hold the kings of the entire inhabited earth and their armies and war machines. Anointed who 'saw the events of 1914' born Dec 31, 1914 11:59pm dies Dec 31, 2034 at 11:59 pm.. At that very moment the 'generation' that will see Armageddon is born Dec 31, 2034 at 11:59 and lives another 120 years thusly it is 'logical evidence' that Armageddon shall commence in 2154. 12 God will not allow the nations to destroy his people. Should we use these accounts in Matthew and Luke to indicate an extended period of time of the presence of Jesus Christ? 9 Jehovah will not wipe out Satans entire world all at once, as he did in Noahs day. (b)What questions will we consider in this article? Notice, though, that Jesus did not liken his presence to the Flood of Noahs day, an event in time, but to the days of Noah, a climatic period of time. It does not necessarily mean that 1975 marks the end of the first 6,000 years of Jehovah's seventh creative "day.". They could say 2051 as they were given the title of a prophet in 1931 thus 120 years of a witness to the world just a NOAH was a preacher of rightiousness??? 6 How will God defeat his enemies at Armageddon? Copyright 2001-2015 Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum | JW.Org Community Information. and the award for longest subject title for a thread goes to What about 1931+120? Jehovah's Witness, member of a millennialist denomination that developed within the larger 19th-century Adventist movement in the United States and has since spread worldwide. Therefore the great climax has been reached. beliefs, Is the Watchtower Predicting The End By 2034 Through Subtle Hints? Third, as we will see later in this article, the war of Armageddon will begin when the worlds kings attack Gods people, who are scattered throughout the earth. Included therein were Noah's building of the ark and his preaching work, right up until the time that the Flood finally arrived. Barking at an Empty Log: Atheism & Millennialism. Don't cry Slimboy, its early here on the east coast on my side of the pond and most of the rest of the yanks are still in bed, I'll give it a read after my next cup of joe. (Ezek. No man?s opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. Jehovah's Witness 'ordered to renounce faith and join Russian army' Europe. Why, for instance, were there actually more pioneers (% wise) in the late 1980s than leading up to 1975? Remember they are inspired but not directed by the active force. How may Jehovah defeat his enemies at Armageddon? These ones. Like Pharaoh at the Red Sea, Gog will learn that he is fighting against Jehovah.Ex. (Job 38:22, 23; Ezek. Do Jehovah?s Witnesses claim that Jehovah God speaks through them? Choose your side, Slimboyfat, choose your side. 4. rutus produceremus solvendus domino pingit emittetis in Hebrew Gematria equals 3532: r 80 u 200 t 100 u 200 s 90 0 p 60 r 80 o 50 d 4 u 200 c 3 e 5 r 80 e 5 m 30 u 200 s 90 0 s 90 o 50 l 20 v 700 e 5 n 40 d 4 u 200 s 90 0 d 4 o 50 m 30 i 9 n 40 o 50 0 p 60 i 9 n 40 g 7 i 9 t 100 0 e 5 m 30 i 9 t 100 t 100 e 5 t 100 i 9 s in Hebrew Gematria equals 3532: r 80 u 200 t 100 . *** Watchtower 1983 February 15 p.12 You Can Live Forever in. Only 120 years more and Jehovah would bring 'the deluge of waters upon the earth to bring to ruin all flesh, Some 90 years have passed since the last days of this system of things began in 1914. The Bible tells us about a most unusual proclamation. How do we know that Armageddon refers to a symbolic place? The Society is adding a 120 years to the 1914 date to come up with the hinted date of 2034. Will religious leaders participate? Jehovah's Witnesses teaches that Armageddon will start in the year 2034. Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions 'in the name of Jehovah.' | {WT 6}. if this generation is meant an era then it is to be 200yrs so1914+200=2114. Lots of threats - pandemic, China, Russia, terrorism and no real integrity in leadership are unnerving, however the JW's have a clear and tangible history of falsely prophesying Armageddon, actually 6 or 7 separate and distinct episodes in their brief ~140 year history - yes "God's Organization" is less than 200 yrs old as while Jesus walked . 46:10) Hence, Jehovah's purposes, and time, for establishing a righteous new order are firmly fixed.Awake! They gathered them together to . alan mcgee gemma interview . In a similar way, Christ's presence includes the events leading up to and including the great tribulation. First, there is no literal mountain of Megiddo. (a)Why is Armageddon good news for mankind? It's amazing that other Christians will mock us for this scriptural belief but at the same time tell . 2, p. 98-99, 1889), 1908 "In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished at the end of A. D. Had not the society stated it in certain terms (unlike the 1975 date on which they were wishy washy)? 7-8. Answer (1 of 23): Jehovah God is the ONLY one who decides who will have the privilege of being anointed/born again or not. 13. Aussi ses jours se monteront-ils cent vint ans." 1:6-9. w08 01/01 pg. You know how they expected the end of the world in 1843/4? Zoning, tax questions. 1993 3/22 Why So Many False Alarms? Can't they take the middle ground? It doesn't have to be either/or. jw It wasn't clearly subjected at all but, as usual, they used their twisted words Tour de Garde du 15 Dcembre 2003 Extraits: " 6 : "Aux jours de No, Jhovah a dclar " Mon esprit n'agira pas envers l'homme indfiniment, puisqu'il est galement chair. Those events occurred over many decades. 8 Replies For example, he may use earthquakes, hail, and lightning. class. Now, all they have to do is shift the start date to 1914 and they've got 2034 to look forward to. 5. Missing from such people were God's truths and the evidence that He was using and guiding them.'' Five years later, Poul and his wife stopped associating with the Witnesses, which in 1964 resulted in his being interrogated by their Elders and then ostracised from the . jehovah's witnesses armageddon 2034cars for sale under $1,000 in orange county. The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men. 15 Christ and his heavenly armies will defend Gods people and crush Gogs hordes. (Acts 1:6; compare Luke 19:11; 24:21.) Just as the early Christian congregation collectively served as the channel of communication from heaven to earth, so in our time. It is vital, therefore, that each one recognize that Jesus Christ is the Head of the Christian congregation, as well as showing proper regard for those on earth who have been theocratically appointed to positions of oversight.-Phil. In 2014, a San Diego judge ordered Watchtower to award $13.5 million to a man who was abused by a church . World. We obey the good news when we apply it in our lives. 4 Why did Jehovah connect the final great war with Megiddo? 17:16) So Gog will expect an easy victory. 6:33; 24:14) It also includes supporting Christs anointed brothers as they care for their weighty responsibilities.Matt. "It is easy for the established churched of Christendom and other people to criticize JWs because their publications have, at times, stated that certain things could take place on 'certain dates'.True, some expectations that appeared to be backed up by Bible chronology did not materializee at the anticipated time. A former Jehovah's Witness has offered a rare insight into the religious group, describing it as a cult that "tries to control emotions, thought, information and behavior of a person". You know how to tell when summer is near. 9:26) (Aid to Bible Understanding, Brooklyn, NY: Watchtower Society, 1971, p. 642). Jehovah's Witnesses are members of a Christian-based religious movement probably best known for their door-to-door evangelistic work. Jehovah is the one behind all of it. Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions 'in the name of Jehovah.' Some of these views involve the length of time it would take for the end to come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Strictly speaking, it refers to the situation to which the kings of the entire inhabited earth are gathered in opposition to Jehovah.
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