I never understood it. 3. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches believe that the authority to baptize was given to the first church, organized by our Savior. I escaped when I was about 20 and went to the world. You can email Bruce via the Contact Form. 1 2 3. And then theres the OTs 600+ laws, including the Ten Commandments. Never put him down and then allow him to get up. They attended Bill Gothard seminars and proudly embraced that whole creepy business. Will you join us? Great emphasis is placed on the literal interpretation of the Bible as the primary method of Bible study. Image Conscious How I struggled to free myself from this oppressive thinking. Im sure that if your God is all about love and grace he will know our hearts better than you and will fully understand in his 3-omni way. 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Dont Dress Like a Whore if You Dont Want to Get Sexually Assaulted Says Lori Alexander, Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager, Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman, Thou shalt obey your parents at all times, Thou shalt obey the police and government unless the pastor says it is a sin against God to do so, Thou shalt give a faith promise missionary offering, Thou give an offering any time the pastor says God is saying to collect a special offering, Thou shalt attend church every time the doors are open, Thou shalt pray for every meal, but ice cream at Dairy Queen after church requires no prayer, Thou shalt only use the King James Bible 1611 edition which is really the 1769 revision, Thou shalt only use the Scofield King James Bible, Thou shalt not have long hair (over your ears, collar) if you are a man, Thou shalt not have a block cut hairstyle if you are a man, Thou shalt not have facial hair if you are a man, but if you are a woman you can have facial hair, Thou shalt not have tattoos unless you have prison tats from your life before Christ, Thou shalt not take the hem out of your Levi jeans or alter your clothing in any way so that you look worldly, Thou shalt not wear pants (britches) if you are a woman, Thou shalt not wear shorts, but a woman can wear Baptist shorts also known as culottes, Thou shalt not expose any flesh if you are a woman, especially your thighs, breasts, or back, Thou shalt only wear dresses with hemlines below the knees if you are a woman, Thou shalt not have any physical contact with the opposite sex if you are unmarried, Thou shalt not have more than one hole in each ear if you are a woman, Thou shalt not pierce any body part except your ear, and then only if you are a woman, Thou shalt not watch TV, but if you are a carnal Christian and must watch TV thou shalt only watch, Thou shalt not go to the movie theater, but using streaming services is okay, Thou shalt always have tracts in your shirt pocket or purse, ready to evangelize at a moments notice, Thou shalt drive a car with church advertising stickers, IFB cliches, or Bible verses attached to the bumper, Thou shalt park down the street when visiting the local strip club or whore house lest the pastor know you are there and stay away, Thou shalt not listen to secular music, especially rock music, which is from the pit of hell, Thou shalt not listen to contemporary Christian music (CCM), Thou shalt not drink fermented alcohol after all, Jesus drank Welchs grape juice, Thou shalt not cuss, but saying darn, shoot, crap, freaking, and fudge are okay, Thou shalt not date non-Independent Baptist girls or boys, Thou shalt not have any non-Independent Baptist friends, Thou shalt home school your children or send them to a Christian school, Thou shalt only read pastor-approved Christian books, Thou shalt only believe what the pastor says you are to believe, Thou shalt say you have victory over sin, even if you are lying, Thou shalt adhere to the perception is reality rule, Thou shalt send your kids to the same Christian college the pastor went to, Thou shalt leave the church if you commit adultery, get a divorce, or get pregnant outside of marriage, Thou shalt believe everything the pastor says even when you are certain he is lying, speaking evangelistically, or embellishing his illustrations, Thou shalt wear a bra if you are a woman, and it can only be a white, underwire bra, Thou shalt not mix bathe (Baptist for swimming with the opposite sex), Thou shalt not go to amusement parks unless the youth group is going, Thou shalt not show emotion unless praising Jesus from 10:00 am to noon on Sunday or giving a testimony during Sunday evening service, Thou shalt say AMEN during at the appropriate time during the pastors sermon, especially when he shouts, pounds the pulpit, or performs gymnastics, Thou shalt not be angry even though the pastor is allowed to be angry, but thats because his anger is righteous anger, Thou shalt be for what the pastor is for and against what the pastor is against, because if you dont, a bear might come out of the woods and eat you, Thou shalt ignore any science that contradicts the Bible, Thou shalt never try to fix your own problems because the pastor is the official fixer of all problems, Thou shalt takes notes on the sermon even if the rabbit wanders five miles off the trail or the sermon is incoherent, Thou shalt always tell the pastor what a wonderful sermon he preached, even when you have no idea what he was talking about, Thou shalt always tell Sister Bertha what a wonderful job she did with her off-key rendition of, Thou shalt not use canned (taped) music for music specials. As a transgender woman, I find that interesting, to say the least! Twice in the New Testament, Paul gives long lists of human behaviors that preclude people from inheriting the kingdom of God. READ THE REST OF THE SERIES: Part 1: Southern Baptist sexual abuse spreads as leaders reject reforms. Yet independent Baptists, by design, are less familiar to outsiders than other Christian traditions. Shaking my head, wishing I had gotten out of that place sooo much sooner than we did, you know when I shouldve used my own brain and listened to my gut. It was they who lied -- first to themselves, and then to you. Thou shalt not work a job as a woman even if thou canst afford the private school and live in a shitty house because your husband spends all his after tax money on the private school and tithing. Addendum: Thousand shalt not even THINK about piercing ANYTHING below the waste! Christians are called to remain steadfastly separate from the world and its sinful practices and temptations, such as movies, dancing and any music with an addictive rock beat. You gave. When I joined the junior high youth group, they even gave me a Living Bible (the one with the cool denim cover and the stick-figure illustrations). The Fort Worth Star-Telegram has done some very impressive and important reporting in its long special report on sexual abuse and cover-ups in independent fundamental Baptist churches across the country. The number of articles in the multi-part series exceeds the number of free articles non-subscribers are permitted to read each month. This is especially important, since the pastor needs his bodyguard detail rotated every so often. And despite all you've been through, here you are now! The SBC has hit the default button and returned to 1959. You arent any different than those of us who have been where you are Cathy. The investigation is ongoing. If your neighbor saw you leaving the Cinemaplex, he wouldnt know what movie you had watched, leading him to have questions about your faith. It was an independent church, and it was fundamentalist, and Baptist, but it was not an IFB independent fundamentalist Baptist church. Thou shalt not drive a nice car for that is vanity and takes money from the missionaries who need airplanes and new tin roofs, and food out of the fat visiting evangelists bellies (unless your the man of god, then you can drive a Suburban or a $95k brand new F350). Many say baptism is required for salvation and I have been pushed to do so. Memo to Kathy: fuck off. And out of that love you gave them the best of who you are to do with whatever they felt they needed to. The Star-Telegram included in its count churches where alleged abusers had served before or after alleged abuse occurred because the allegations could affect the congregants. https://www.nakedpastorstore.com/blogs/news/adoring-pastors. Unlike the Catholic Church, the fundamental Baptist church considers itself to be made up of independent entities. Your reporters deserve better management than this. Your comments are welcome and appreciated. 6.) If you'd like to see the rest of this post (the whole of which was too large to post here), thank you and it's here. It used to be that independent Baptists separated themselves from other Christians over important doctrines, such as the virgin birth of Christ or the inspiration of the Scriptures. I would not have returned a clergyman to his former parish after what transpired but out of pastoral sensitivity to the desires of the overwhelming numbers of parishioners who sought his return, he said. He will very quickly come to know that any time he is laid down there is no alternative but to stay put. I didnt understand the extremes of it and was so glad for makeup, but why yell about it from the pulpit?! Generally speaking (and this differs greatly from church to church) Independent Baptists and Southern Baptists tend to have about the same doctrinal stance. (The mind of an 18 year old girl that had been sort of bad with many boys in high school, shame on me) So hard to tell if it is a cult. You served them that way. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings. Meant to be taken literally, the KJV is inspired, inerrant, infallible, and the supreme and final authority in all things. People who think that sexual abuse and its systematic cover-up is something that happens only in Roman Catholic Churches ought to read this devastating series in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, about how the same thing has been happening in a national network of independent fundamental Baptist churches. Thanks! But if you think most of the people in your church would do that, or stand by those who did, your optimism is unwarranted. Jack Hyles preached at our Christian school (1978) and Proclaimed that it was a sin for a boy to wear anything but white underwear, and also a sin if a boy didnt have his hair buzz cut on the back ! you're wrong!" Only the KJV will be used in this group; please check . You dont report to police because the pastor is the ultimate authority, not the government.. Could someone please explain? Hyles flight to safety has become a well-worn path for ministers in the independent fundamental Baptist movement. The video posted on the church website ends. When the baby bit, she pulled hair (an alternative has to be sought for baldheaded babies). And like everyone else in the world you want that love to mean something, to be incorporated into and desired by something worthy of it. You brought the best of yourself. Oh, did I mention we were homeschooled and socially retarded. The label can be used by a range of autonomous, Bible-believing Baptists (fundamentalbeing a reference to the core doctrines of the Christian faith). If you spend any time covering sexual abuse story, any belief that congregations are never complicit in abuse and cover-up goes evaporates quickly. Hundreds of Sex Abuse Allegations Found in Fundamentalist BaptistChurches, Fea wrote, following the Star-Telegrams report. Even though its hard to get much farther on the theological spectrum from Catholicism than an independent fundamental Baptist church, this is exactly what happened in the Catholic Church. And because of your trusting love for them, you let them. Praise god amen we were unharmed.except for being fucked mentally for years. The name Independent Fundamental Baptist Church is used traditionally by churches which pattern themselves strictly after the example of the early church, as found in the New Testament. I know that they are KJV only and Arminian. I would be more impressed if your god, who is supposed to be omnipotent, couldnt just save everyone. For decades, women and children have faced rampant sexual abuse while worshiping at independent fundamental Baptist churches around the country. Landover, MD 20785. When the apostles, the first members of the first church, and others went out preaching the Gospel and establishing other churches, this authority was transferred to them. So, down through the centuries, the . Part of HuffPost Religion. This bit from John Fea is particularly helpful: While neo-evangelicals read periodicals likeChristianity Today, fundamentalist Baptists read John R. RicesThe Sword of the Lord. In that case, thou shalt work on your bus route until 3 am Monday morning, then get your sorry, lazy ass ready for your theology classes at our bible college that morning. KJV-onlyism is certainly not a core doctrine of the Christian faith for any Christian who doesnt speak English. The Lordship controversy and misrepresenting the Lordship preachers. Thou shalt study various martial arts disciplines, as these are masculine. Shellnut also draws on Messiah College historian John Feas description of these independent fundamentalist Baptists, so lets turn to that. The writings that I've read from former IFBs are some of the strongest testimonies to the strength and decency of the human spirit I've ever come across. The one thing I do want to say for anyone just making their way out of the darkness of IFB is this: that you once so thoroughly bought into IFB is a sign of your strength, not your weakness. And lets not forget the old For him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin catch-all At my IFB church that I grew up in I loved how they used to use that one to justify saying anything they didnt agree with or like was a SIN . Women need not apply and should not study martial arts. We look at what the Bible says about modern day issues and life problems. Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Cult Survivors. Those who opposed the Great Whore of Revelation before the rise of the Reformers were again you guessed it; BAPTIST CHRISTIANS who came before the Protestant Christians ever came to existence and I am proud of my Baptist heritage. This means that there are approximately 7.85 million IFBs in America today. But they also have a high regard for the Bible. Let us always bear in mind that the IFB no more represents Christianity than the Taliban represents Islam. The network of churches and schools has often. Homosexuals are evil perverts who despise God and should be kept away from society generally and children especially. More: Members instinctively go to the pastor first with problems, including those of a criminal nature. She actually got upset! Thou shalt go to KFC on Sundays after services. One alleged abuser went on to serve as an administrator in a Christian school in a different state, even after Shiflett warned the schools pastor. And they used the best of who you are, and the best of what you have to give, to feed those lies. And not to tell anyone. We were, I suppose, fundamentalist with evangelical highlights. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. It started as part of the Northern Baptist convention but, concerned about creeping liberalism in that association, split away to join the Conservative Baptists. In response to an explosive investigation, top Southern Baptists have released a previously secret list of hundreds of pastors and other church-affiliated personnel accused of . While practices can vary from church to church, independent fundamental Baptists do share some core beliefs, according to Christianity Today: that the Bible is the divinely inspired and inerrant word of God, for example, and that people should use only the King James Version of the text.Independent fundamental Baptists refrain from engaging in pop culture and many also home-school their kids. And screw 'em if they do. Students may be expelled at any time, for any reason, if the president of the school deems the reason sufficient (my 2nd grade brother was expelled for defiance). To get up is to be on the firing line and get switched back down. They pretended to be something they weren't. The church shall pray for her to get right with her lord (and her pastor). And if they failed to treat that greatest of gifts with the sacrosanct respect it deserves, then shame on them. Blockbuster report about systemic sex crimes in ultra-conservative Protestant churches. Careers Workplace and Religion Columnists, Recreation Outdoors and Religion Columnists, Religious Music and Entertainment Columnists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, special report on sexual abuse and cover-ups in independent fundamental Baptist churches across the country, Hundreds Accuse Independent Baptist Pastors of Abuse, Hundreds of Sex Abuse Allegations Found in Fundamentalist BaptistChurches, Slavery and 'how to interpret the Bible' (cont'd.). The pharmacists priest even told her and her husband to leave the parish, because their presence was causing too much discomfort there. In your cynical statement about the seemingly unseen book of rules, you failed to mention that they ultimately came from a God who loves you, and has your best interest at heart. This is an independent fundamental Baptist program that has chapters in churches all across the country. But these folks were seen as a little bit too much by most of the people in the church, whose kids got to choose places like Philadelphia College of the Bible or Northeastern Bible College. Biblical authority: the Bible is God's inspired Word and the final authority for what a person believes and practices. BTW, I went to Carolina Baptist College, Reidsville, NC, (Reidsville Baptist Church, Pastor Jerry Carter,) 1998-2002. Much of this movement was a response to the so-called neo-evangelical movement. Tags: Independent Fundamental Baptist The Gospel Kent Brandenburg's Assessment of Independent Baptists By Jim Apr 29 2015 Women not wearing pants, women not working, women being not allowed to speak up in church, have any sort of leadership role, etc. The Bible is filled with rules that have everything to do with salvation. Baptism therefore represents the Gospel, which consists of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. We were informed that the parishioners felt so strongly that they would protest in front of the Archdiocese for the return of their priest, he said. More importantly, its disrespectful to the victims who bravely came forward to share their stories with reporters from the Fort Worth paper. Toledo, Maumee, Bowling Green, Lima, Findlay all relatively large communities. Cat got his tongue? I vaguely recognize some of the standards that you mentioned, but not to the extreme that you have described them. Truly horrifying. You loved when you had no more love to give. You brought all of yourself. You know that I am Independent. You showed up, ready to play. Those independent Baptist churches which teach, as very many of them do, that the God-given inspired word of God is the King James Version typically teach that every other translation of the Bible is part of a conspiracy to remove the King James Bible, the ONLY real Bible, from our churches. Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB) is a loosely-affiliated, cultish denomination of Christian fundamentalists. I wasnt surprised at all when I heard he had an affair with his secretary. There are a lot more where these came from, lmao . Amendment though shalt say amen during service but only if you are male. The Independent Baptist Fellowship is the end-product of the legacy journey that started some 60 years ago. They didn't sink deep enough. She gave me a five-minute counseling session and told me she would have to tell Pastor Schaap and the nurse, inform the doctor. ', (And since weve mentioned Bob Jones twice now, we should also mention that he was above all else a white supremacist. Don't hold it against me. Can LGBTQ people join your church, teach Sunday school, preach? The scope, scale, and particulars of the widespread abuses they uncover are heartbreaking and enraging. Prove that you are bigger, tougher, more patiently enduring and are unmoved by his wailing. The New IFB is an attempt to revive the former glory and orthodoxy of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, a movement that arose in the mid-20 th century in reaction to fears that mainstream. America needs great Independent Baptist churches again. He cries in pain. Zichterman recounts seeing an interview on television featuring Carolyn Jessop and realizing, for the first time, that the IFB was a cult. But evangelicals should recognize that clerical sex abuse is widespread, and some evangelical and fundamentalist churches do cover up problems and pass them on to others. The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards Thou shalt obey the pastor at all times Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman Thou shalt obey your parents at all times Twenty-one abuse allegations were uncovered exclusively by the Star-Telegram, and others were documented in criminal cases, lawsuits and news reports. All these Rules have nothing to do with Salvation.Jesus set us free from bondage called Legalism.Galatians5.This There rules but not biblical.This is a system of control its a man made book of rules. I spent thousands and thousands of hours reading and studying the Bible. Im saved now, right? Ernest Willis found guilty of raping teen Tina Anderson, a fellow church member. They believed that the neo-evangelical emphasis on cultural engagement with the world, and especially liberal or mainline Protestants, was a mark of unhealthy compromise that would eventually undermine true biblical faith in America. concerned about creeping liberalism in that association, it opted to go it alone. Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up out of the water again. Golden State Baptist College - Is a ministry of North Valley Baptist Church of Santa Clara, California. If she doesnt approve of this, tough; she shouldve thought of that before she married you. 7 reviews. Its a philosophy its flawed, said Stacey Shiflett, an independent fundamental Baptist pastor in Dundalk, Maryland. God changes his mind several times in the Bible. Okay I'd like to say I am a fundamental Baptist and I am attending a local Baptist church, yes that's the name of this site. The basic beliefs of this group is Anti-LGBT, Misogyny, Anti-Worldliness, KJV Bible only, anti-semitism, and more. Become a member and enjoy the very best from The American Conservative in print & digital. They preferred to remain ignorant of evidence suggesting that something in the air around the plant was giving them cancer. Pastor Stacey Shiflett finally had enough: For Shiflett, the issue was personal. Many of you signed my Bibles. Thousands have come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ because one man followed in obedience where the Lord led. #1. Born Again Barbarian 48.1K subscribers Subscribe 252 15K views 5 years ago The practices of the IFB movement are only a few hundred. This past summer, amid new stories of Catholic sex abuse, the Evangelical magazine Worldcautioned its readers not to make the mistake of thinking that it cannot and does not happen in Protestant churches. The message is set. To question the sovereignty of the pastor is to disturb God's order and invite upon oneself separation from the church, and therefore from the very source of salvation and hope. Its pastor is divinely appointed and accountable to no earthly authority. I am curious why the Ifb doesnt want Christians to go to the movie theatre? It is also my desire that those who have become nonbelievers will respond with a yes to Jesus. He and his wife have six grown children and thirteen grandchildren. I preached over 4,000 sermons. Human nature is a destructive force. or a year or whatever. Feel free to add your own additions to the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Rule Book. The study of literature no longer animates students' minds and souls. God has greatly blessed this ministry, which now averages nearly 3,000 a week in attendance. There is no appreciable moral distinction between homosexuality and bestiality, incest, child molestation or rape. I subjected myself to such rules for decades, believing I was obeying God. Johannes Vermeer's treatment of love distinguished him from his peers. Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception - Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination Welcome to BaptistDeception.com Edit Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. Thou shalt leave a tract in the restroom after thou hast used it. Another rule for students was that thou shalt not attend the roller skating rink upon threat of expulsion. All first-time comments are moderated. It tried to explain and figure out why IFB churches seem to be drying up and closing their doors. For this reason IFB churches vigorously renounce the idea that IFB constitutes a denomination: each church, they hold, is a kingdom unto itself and obliged to cooperate with exactly no other church body, IFB or otherwise. It is sinful for a woman to dress in any way that might cause a man to spiritually stumble by having even the slightest lustful thought. This post was published on the now-closed HuffPost Contributor platform. There's something going on that wasn't here before. That is their unforgiveable sin. al. For decades, women and children have faced rampant sexual abuse while worshiping at independent fundamental Baptist churches around the country. Enforcing King James only-ism down the throats in some of their groups. Memo to former Evangelicals: be like Kathy. You love passionately, deeply and inexorably. Because its in human nature, for one, and for another, because the clergy have an extraordinary amount of power (real and symbolic) within the ecclesiology of both churches. God's Grace bible study podcast is a Independent Fundamental Baptist pobcast we use the KJV 1611 only.
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